Wisdom of Not Being Present

Do you ever feel like an outsider looking in on your own life? Pam speaks to Stefani Wessel about the necessity of cultivating a relationship with ourselves, first and foremost, in order to show up truly present in our lives.


Stefani Wessel is a Certified Coach for Your Infinite Life. She is the host of the podcast, Messy Talk. Stefani embraces life and people while loving the messiness of our humanness.  She is also fun, funny, and full of life.

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